A response to pro-gay theology part 2

 Part 2 of my response to pro-gay theology and ideology

Read part 1 for an explanation for this post.

   Over the years, I have read a lot of books and articles on this subject. I studied the Bible and know every verse that talks about homosexuality, I prayed a lot, have heard the arguments from the pro-gay side, and am 100% convinced that homosexuality is a sin and there is no way you can be a practicing homosexual and be Christian. To push this idea that you can be gay and Christian, you have to ignore or twist a lot of Bible verses. Such as 1 Corinthians 6: 9-10

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a  nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

  Those 2 verses are followed up by one of my favorite verses, 1 Corinthians 6:11

11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

  As such were some of you. Such awesome words that give me hope. But think for a moment... if that verse is true, than not only is homosexuality a sin, but change and repentance is necessary and possible.... as with any other sin,

  I have a lot to say, and am not sure how to say it all, so I am going to make a list in no particular order of things I feel need addressed:

But Jesus didn't mention homosexuality.......

1) The "Jesus didn't say anything about it" argument. This is a favorite of pro-gay crowd. It IS true that Jesus didn't mention it in the Gospels... that is recorded..... but the whole Bible is God's Word. Jesus and the Father are one, so Jesus DID address it other placed in the Bible.

He also didn't address incest, bestiality, rape, pedophilia (not by name)....but I don't think many Christians would use the same argument for those.

And any time Jesus talked about marriage, He talked about a man and a woman. Bible scholars agree that homosexuality was most likely not much of an issue in Israel at that time, but it would have been in Rome...hence the verses there about it.

But it is OK if they really love each other and are faithful......

2) The monogamy argument: This us two-fold. The argument is made that the Bible doesn't condemn a loving monogamous relationship between 2 guys....but that distinction is not made in Scripture. It says sex between 2 people of the same gender is not natural and is a sin, and those who practice it will go to hell. Period.

 The other point I wanted to make is the myth of gay monogamy. In my years in the gay lifestyle, I ran across a lot of gay couples. They were either looking for a third or more to have sex with, or one or both of them was meeting other guys secretly for sex. There may be a few gay couples who are truly monogamous, but that is about as rare as Hillary Clinton telling the truth.

But it isn't hurting anyone.......

3) The not damaging idea. This isn't necessarily an argument given a lot, but needs to be addressed. Homosexuality is dangerous. AIDS and other STDS are much more common among gay men than heterosexuals. Gay men are much more promiscuous than heterosexuals. I have read of guys who have had over 1000 sexual partners in their lifetime.... and that isn't uncommon.

 Anal sex, a very popular sexual activity, is dangerous health-wise. It gives a higher risk for colon cancer, bowel problems, and is also a higher risk for disease. There are websites geared for men wanting to have it "bareback" - no condom.. yet some of the same guys on those sites are on other sites saying they want "safe sex": - condom. There are actually sex parties where guys go where some have HIV and others don't. They have sex with multiple partners, not knowing if the guy is HIV+ or not..... and even worse, there are guys who are "bug chasers" who seek out HIV+ guys to have sex with so they can get it.

  HIV+ guys refer to themselves as "POZ" and the stigma and danger of being HIV+ are not just ignored, but almost celebrated.

And it hurts families who know it is wrong and have loved ones selfishly pursue a dangerous and sinful lifestyle as heartbroken family members look on.

4) Homosexuality is brokenness. For a variety of reasons, men have been hurt by missing out on the love of a father, or other issues. We fix brokenness, we don't encourage it and make it worse.

5) Homosexuality is basically worship. The majority of gay men are extremely shallow, self-centered,  and focused on looks. That is one reason gay relationships don't last..... it is all about getting a hot guy that will make them feel good, There is rarely any true unselfish love, for it is all based on the wrong things.

6) Homosexuality is just like any other sin in that it needs to be repented of and stopped.......but it is also unlike other sins. There are no other sins that people are marching in pride parades. There are no other sins that are being forced on us to accept and be silent about.

  There are even Christians who say we talk about homosexuality too much and there are other sins, etc.... but no other sin is being pushed on us like homosexuality.

7) The church does need to change how it addresses this sin/issue. No one should have to sit in the church pew and fear people knowing they deal with same-sex attractions. No one should fear being ostracized or kicked out of their church for having these attractions and desires....... but the answer is not to affirm and accept the sin. The answer is to say "I love you and will walk this path with you and do all I can to help you" to those wanting to change. And to those not wanting to change, "I believe your lifestyle is wrong and I cannot condone it, but I will love you, be your friend, and accept you as a person".

8) I 100% believe with this push for acceptance and normalizing of homosexuality and the encouragement to young people to experiment, that there are a lot of people going into the gay lifestyle who otherwise would have had a normal heterosexual relationship and marriage.

9) Gay pride: The Bible condemns pride even more than it condemns homosexuality.....how can a Christian be proud of their sexuality, and especially one the Bible says is a sin?

What about the other sexual sins?

10) The other sexual sins in the Bible. In the Old Testament, incest, homosexuality, fornication, and bestiality are all condemned as sinful. In the New Testament, I don't believe incest is specifically mentioned as sinful and bestiality are not... yet we still consider those sinful and unnatural. What is special about homosexuality, which is mentioned and condemned in the New Testament, that we think we can twist and reason around Scripture and say it is OK? Why not defend the other sinful immoral practices?

11) Society and the world cannot be our guide on morality or sin. For years, people believed the Bible condemned homosexuality, but then gay people started working on getting it accepted and finding ways to make people look bad who disagreed with them. Hollywood started pushing it, and slowly it became normalized by society and the world... so many Christians and churches changed their views on it.... but the Bible still says it is wrong and sinful.....why are so many Christians willing to go along with it being OK since the world says it is OK? If that is all that keeps defines right and wrong for us, there is no end in sight for what Christians will accept and defend.

 Incest is already on the horizon. There is a slight push to normalize it, and why not? If we can toss out what the Bible says about homosexuality, should incest be any different? If we go with what society says and they get to the point where incest is OK and normal, how many Christians will go along with it? Most likely the same as are going along with homosexuality.

Bigamy is being pushed..... and why not? If a man can marry a man, why can't he marry two women... or twenty women?

  There is also a small push on for pedophilia. Some might scoff at the idea of it being legal and accepted here, but once a country starts down the slippery moral slope, there is no end in sight. There are a lot of people who want the age of consent lowered. There are psychologists trying to say it is normal....it will happen. The question is just when, not if.

  In my countless hours spent in gay chat rooms. I ran across a lot of boys under the age of 18. No, I never hooked up with them, but I am sure they found guys who would. I have read enough and heard enough to know that a lot of gay guys' first sexual experience was as a minor with an adult male.

12) A lot - not all, but a lot - of gay men were molested as kids by a teen boy or an adult male.....how on earth is that OK and good coming from that?

13) Something seriously wrong , no matter how good the intentions are; is for Christians to affirm and accept homosexuality. The Bible plainly states that people engaging in sex with the same gender will go to hell.....so it is not love to encourage the deceptive thinking that one can be Christian and gay.

Some day, we will all stand before God and be judged, And gay people will not thank those who encouraged them to pursue a life of sin and ignore what God had to say, And the excuse "but people told me I was OK" will not work on that day. Those people who miss Heaven for that reason will curse those who "affirmed" them in their sin.

14) There are many men - and women - who have walked away from the gay lifestyle and lived for God instead of their sexual desires. Is it easy? No. Have there been many who got discouraged and went back to the gay lifestyle? Yes.... but that doesn't make it OK. There are a lot of people saved from drugs  and alcoholism who stayed clean, and many who went back to it..... but we don't say it is OK just because they found it difficult to overcome their addictions.

15) God doesn't "make people gay". I saw this statement from a gay affirming Christian that God makes people gay, and that is a good thing. I sort of covered this in my previous blog post, but I do lean towards believing people are not born gay.....but even if they are, did God really make them gay, or is it genetics or something else? Do we say God makes people blind, mentally handicapped, born without limbs, and other deformities? Do we say God makes men adulterers and it is good?

16) To embrace one's same-sex attractions and live for them is to put them above God. A gay person has to do no differently than anyone else wanting to serve God - deny yourself - even your sexual desires, take up your cross, and follow Jesus. If God asks all others to forsake their sin and follow Him, what makes homosexuality exempt? Jesus said this was a narrow way......can you truly be on the narrow way while having sex with someone of the same gender?


  I find this push of Christian people to make gay OK offensive. I have been there. I know the chains that held me for years from that sin, and I know the deliverance from it.... and I have seen others who have similar testimonies..... I know beyond the shout of a doubt that it is sin and will lead to death and an eternity in hell...... that is what the Bible says, and that is not anyone's interpretation, but plain black and white.

 We don't encourage anyone else to ignore what the Bible says about a sin and just do it......why is this sin special?

 It isn't. It isn't an easy thing to deal with, but you don't fix that by saying it is OK and the Bible is wrong.......that doesn't work.

  Yes, love gay people..really love them. Don't affirm their delusion and encourage a dangerous and damning lifestyle, but love them and let them know even if you disagree with them, you are their friend and you love them. Jesus never left people in their sin...... He loved them and changed them.